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What we need to do is to test this. Sartori, from Morriston hospital in the U.K., did this in a study for her Ph.D. thesis, not yet published. Using a method suggested by Janice Holden (Holden, 1988; Holden and Joesten, 1990), Sartori put randomized cards on top of the monitors displaying the patients medical data, which are always present in patient rooms, usually beside the bed. Because the monitors were above eye level of a person standing up, the cards on top of them could not normally be seen by the nurses.
The question is, of course, when people left their bodies, did they see the cards? What would you guess? What are you NDErs going to look at when you leave your bodies? Are you going to look around the room, have a look at the monitors, see if there are any cards hidden there? You are not going to be interested in impersonal cards. The only thing you are interested in is this thing lying on the bed, which is your body, and nothing else. And that is exactly what happened in Sartoris study. I had thought that people would see the cards, but they did not. Sartori has now had eight patients who reported being out-of-body during their cardiac arrests, and what those people did was look at their bodies. One looked at her body and went out of the window. Another found a tunnel. One simply went back into the body as quickly as she could. Another went out through the wall backwards.
Clearly there is something wrong with this methodology. For if people do leave their bodies and look around the room, they do not gain the sort of information that we want them to gain at least not through this research protocol. So we are designing a new experiment, very much like the study Greyson and Holden are conducting in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Imagine a cardiac care unit room. In a corner of the ceiling is someone who has left his or her body and is looking back down on the physical body. What we are going to do is to make sure that whatever object we use is something that a patient who leaves the body and looks down at it could not fail to see. One suggestion is thatwe should suspend from the ceiling a display screen between the person who is up at the ceiling and the physical body. The screen would be translucent, and would display some randomly generated image that is not visible from below, so the out-of-body person has actually got to look through the screen to see the physical body. A camera would record the whole of the resuscitation process, so that we can see if, after resuscitation and stabilization, the patient can accurately report what was displayed on the screen while he or she was unconscious and being resuscitated.
von hier:
http://www.iands.org/research/impor..._fenwick_m.d._science_and_spirituality_5.html
Auch interessant:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence03.html
Oder das:
I have a videotaped account for you, which I will play now. The child is 3 years old and has reflex anoxic seizures in which her heart stops. During the time that she is unconscious she has out-of-body experiences. Here she is describing how, in one of these episodes, she goes up to the ceiling and then watches her mother do the resuscitation process all wrong:
Narrator: Most of us have preconceived ideas about such experiences, but this little girl was barely 3 years old when she described an out-of-body experience to her mother.
Mother: She was telling me that she goes, and she goes up, and shes watching herself. Now, I did find it amazing. I was speechless.
Narrator: She suffers from a rare illness called reflex anoxic seizures, which temporarily stop her heart beating. In her short life, she has clinically died over 20 times.
Mother: She has no vital signs; she has no respiration, no pulse, no heartbeat, no anything. She turns from a blue to an ashen, and black, I would say, lips.
Narrator: Fortunately, she normally recovers from a seizure within a minute, but as she grew older, she began to talk to her mother about them.
Mother: She watches herself, and then, she tells me, again, her words, she clicks back in.
Narrator: On one occasion, she collapsed in her mothers bedroom. Her mother placed her in the recovery position and soothed her. When the child came round, she was furious with her mother for not placing her on the floor as theyd been taught by the doctor.
Mother: But when she came back, I mean, she had told me what I had done and how I did it wrong and what Id said.
Narrator to child: Where do you go?
Child: Up in the ceiling.
Narrator: Up in the ceiling! Can you tell me what its like?
Child: I see Mommy helping me.
There are good reasons for studying childhood NDEs. Very few children will have been exposed to the idea of NDEs. Young children especially have a poorly formed view of the idea and permanence of death. Children whose parents have no religious views or convictions are even less likely to have been told about what to expect at death. In his 1989 paper, Harvey Irwin suggested that children who had had no religious instruction would be ideal to test the sociocultural conditioning hypothesis against the paranormal-spiritual hypothesis. In other words, if kids who do not know about NDEs have an NDE, you cannot explain it by saying they have learnt about it as a cultural experience.
The question is, of course, when people left their bodies, did they see the cards? What would you guess? What are you NDErs going to look at when you leave your bodies? Are you going to look around the room, have a look at the monitors, see if there are any cards hidden there? You are not going to be interested in impersonal cards. The only thing you are interested in is this thing lying on the bed, which is your body, and nothing else. And that is exactly what happened in Sartoris study. I had thought that people would see the cards, but they did not. Sartori has now had eight patients who reported being out-of-body during their cardiac arrests, and what those people did was look at their bodies. One looked at her body and went out of the window. Another found a tunnel. One simply went back into the body as quickly as she could. Another went out through the wall backwards.
Clearly there is something wrong with this methodology. For if people do leave their bodies and look around the room, they do not gain the sort of information that we want them to gain at least not through this research protocol. So we are designing a new experiment, very much like the study Greyson and Holden are conducting in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Imagine a cardiac care unit room. In a corner of the ceiling is someone who has left his or her body and is looking back down on the physical body. What we are going to do is to make sure that whatever object we use is something that a patient who leaves the body and looks down at it could not fail to see. One suggestion is thatwe should suspend from the ceiling a display screen between the person who is up at the ceiling and the physical body. The screen would be translucent, and would display some randomly generated image that is not visible from below, so the out-of-body person has actually got to look through the screen to see the physical body. A camera would record the whole of the resuscitation process, so that we can see if, after resuscitation and stabilization, the patient can accurately report what was displayed on the screen while he or she was unconscious and being resuscitated.
von hier:
http://www.iands.org/research/impor..._fenwick_m.d._science_and_spirituality_5.html
Auch interessant:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence03.html
Oder das:
I have a videotaped account for you, which I will play now. The child is 3 years old and has reflex anoxic seizures in which her heart stops. During the time that she is unconscious she has out-of-body experiences. Here she is describing how, in one of these episodes, she goes up to the ceiling and then watches her mother do the resuscitation process all wrong:
Narrator: Most of us have preconceived ideas about such experiences, but this little girl was barely 3 years old when she described an out-of-body experience to her mother.
Mother: She was telling me that she goes, and she goes up, and shes watching herself. Now, I did find it amazing. I was speechless.
Narrator: She suffers from a rare illness called reflex anoxic seizures, which temporarily stop her heart beating. In her short life, she has clinically died over 20 times.
Mother: She has no vital signs; she has no respiration, no pulse, no heartbeat, no anything. She turns from a blue to an ashen, and black, I would say, lips.
Narrator: Fortunately, she normally recovers from a seizure within a minute, but as she grew older, she began to talk to her mother about them.
Mother: She watches herself, and then, she tells me, again, her words, she clicks back in.
Narrator: On one occasion, she collapsed in her mothers bedroom. Her mother placed her in the recovery position and soothed her. When the child came round, she was furious with her mother for not placing her on the floor as theyd been taught by the doctor.
Mother: But when she came back, I mean, she had told me what I had done and how I did it wrong and what Id said.
Narrator to child: Where do you go?
Child: Up in the ceiling.
Narrator: Up in the ceiling! Can you tell me what its like?
Child: I see Mommy helping me.
There are good reasons for studying childhood NDEs. Very few children will have been exposed to the idea of NDEs. Young children especially have a poorly formed view of the idea and permanence of death. Children whose parents have no religious views or convictions are even less likely to have been told about what to expect at death. In his 1989 paper, Harvey Irwin suggested that children who had had no religious instruction would be ideal to test the sociocultural conditioning hypothesis against the paranormal-spiritual hypothesis. In other words, if kids who do not know about NDEs have an NDE, you cannot explain it by saying they have learnt about it as a cultural experience.
