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On The Angel

Dieses Thema im Forum "Engel" wurde erstellt von Kannon, 11. Februar 2010.

  1. Kannon

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    Something very special about the angels that nobody had ever said before ...

    On The Angel

    In ancient times there was a diatribe among the various experts on realisation. Here it is: if sentient beings (whoever they are) realize the Thusness (whatever it is) of the place where they are, do they remain detached in their own paradise or is it necessary that they be immersed in the phenomenal world with their mind and all the consequential separations?

    Thusness means “just as it is”, but not Thusness “just as it is” with the words of the common sentient being. It is Thusness with no words, which in that being mirrors reality.

    Well, we could say: Reality “just as it is” is the Consciousness of the Void, of Thusness, of Creation, of the very nature of the whys of the Creation of the Absolute. Therefore, in saying “Reality” we indicate Reality with a capital R. Not that with the small “r”, the subjective and illusory reality of the common sentient being, but the Reality of the Spiritual Entity that underlies life, the existence of the common sentient being.

    The Spiritual Entity is a single point in the Absolute, therefore there is no other, there is no me, you, him, her, us, them, there is only the Nature of Creation “just as it is”.

    A sentient being who achieves realisation with that Nature is given many names by the various religions. Often religions are like smoke-screen systems that mislead people away from God. Unfortunately those who believe in various rituals move further and further away from God, because they put into effect systems constructed by the minds of men who make sentient beings uncomfortable with the “Others” and confront them, with other religions, with a self that is in opposition to other beings.

    Normally those who belong to a religion enter in conflict with the “others”, and therefore against the “others”. The more you are religious, and believe you are on the path towards a “type” of God, the more you draw away from the Absolute, because you become part of a “human species”, a group, an ethnic group, a tribe; you become part of those who separate themselves.

    This is neither the will of the Absolute nor is it the will of God, and therefore, unfortunately, the way towards Him is made difficult with any sort of ritual. Such a system of separation should be eliminated, in order to try and “see” that “Beyond” which interests us.

    If I attain a profound vision and perception of Thusness, “just as is” the nature of all things, and become a being whose spiritual nature is no longer subjected to the illusoriness of material things, I find myself on this path, without end, separated by the law of cause-effect, separated by the phenomenal world, separated by mental processes…

    The question asked and which received several answers was this: “if sentient beings who have attained Realisation: perceiving the very Nature of Thusness; perceiving the illusory nature of all beings; perceiving the illusory nature of the phenomenal world (cause-effect law); perceiving that their own nature is that elusive spiritual body, not knowing in depth all the variations of the phenomenal world, of the identity, of what is mine, of being, of non-being, how can they help sentient beings?”

    Therefore, if Spiritual Nature implies a harmonious condition, paradise, bliss, It eliminates complete and total immersion in the world of phenomena and, specifically, in the world of minds and separation.

    How can someone who does not know the sufferer plan the best system to cure those who suffer?

    Here it seemed that those who attained Realisation, in order to fulfil their vow to help all sentient beings, had to tread their own path again; otherwise they would have been too detached from them.

    How can you help those who are ill if you do not know what is tormenting them? How can you understand a thought if you cannot formulate one? How can you understand those who believe in any specific “ego” if you have no experience of it yourself?

    Is the observation of a not “immersed” Realized-One of any value for the study of mental processes? Or is it of value only when the Realized-One goes over the errors of values, of the apparent disharmony of chaos again?

    Chaos is deterministic, that is, it is guided chaos for the ascertainment of freedom. Only if we are immersed in an apparent but deterministic endless chaos can we become aware of endless freedom. If we cannot choose where to go, how can we manage?

    In order to choose and learn to navigate there must be a rough sea, and the sea is nearly always rough, so we will be able to choose how to proceed just as we please.

    The nature of events teaches, always and anyway. We must take part in the nature of events that strikes us.

    Irony is fundamental to truly understanding the illusory nature of all beings.
    There are those who believe and don’t believe in many things and it seems right that there exist “wavering”, oscillating beings, with problems of varying type and nature, but it is of no interest to me: no “support”, out of respect for their choices in their freedom.

    We must accept every type of situation; each situation in any case possesses a learning aspect in as much as it shows the conditions in which sentient beings find themselves. If we are not “immersed”, how can we know the torment and the mental movements of those who, suffering, present their destiny, their needs, present the “little figure” they exhibit to the mirror? They looked into the mirror, if demons look into the mirror they see a demon, if saints look into mirror they see a saint. Each one shows what they are, but then again, if we cannot mentally experience what the other one is, just a little, it’s impossible to think of any support.

    We cannot just cut the figure of the good Realized-One who are not “grazed” by anything, who have Thusness all to themselves, who always carry Paradise and the Interaction Net with them and claim that “nothing touches them”. If nothing “touches” you, then even learning the mental processes of the subject you should be studying touches you ...

    continues with the article on uselesswords.org :)
     
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    Very nice, your post. But, i realy don´t understand englisch. Maybe you are blind and don´t see, that this bord is hoastet in Austria, and maybe you don´t know, that the people in Austria speaks mostly german (okay, mostly something like german :D). Maybe you belive Austria is Australia - shitt happens i know, but take a look on Wikipedia (Lemma Austria) and you will have a moment of enlightment.

    And yess, i know that a lot of englisch speaking people have the arrogance to belive, that englisch is the new Lingua Franca of the world - also here: shitt hapens. Maybe you got more luck if you try in chiniese or spain next time

    Thanks
     
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    Dear Fist, I can not speak German because I do not know and therefore uses English as an international language. For that reason alone I do ... :)
     
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    Hello, I am an Italian and I apologize for my bad English: the theme of angels I have always been passionate: I recently saw "Gabriel", an Australian film of 2007 that impressed me: I wanted to know if anyone had seen him and impressions: thanks again for the hospitality '!:)
     
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    It 'a beautiful film that I recommend everyone to see. I've seen ... Council to see it and then re-read this article on the Angel that you will find full on "uselesswords.org" in the chapter "On the Angel."

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Hello Fist:

    THAT ist very true. :)

    lg Wally
     
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    Welcome first of all! Remember that those who want to do good always has the uphill road full of obstacles and demons have descended smooth as billiard tables ... but the choice of the asset at the end after much suffering from 'always on its achievements compliments your preparation! I wish you a good day!:rolleyes:
     
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